Comments on: Eclipse Europa Has Ruined My Day http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/ Tracing the course of Web Technology Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:54:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: kleer lee lyte http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-38970 kleer lee lyte Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:58:00 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-38970 after a couple years with eclipse, although it mostly worked, i got tired of the endless 'upgrade' treadmill and increasing bloat and gratuitous change (you'd think eclipse was made in redmond!) i swtiched to netbeans last year and found it refreshing smaller footprint, works out of the box, easy to build and debug projects i could care less about ruby -- anyone who drinks that koolaide deserves whatever they get also i dont care if netbeans is owned by oracle, and even if they break it, i'll just keep using the version that now works the only real value of an IDE is debugging, all else is fluff or gravy depending on your mood and i dont trust anything that cant be built except in an ide or by maven, etc dont get wrong, maven is fine, but if you can't build from the command line, by hand, then you're not in control of your project and that's a bad thing after a couple years with eclipse, although it mostly worked, i got tired of the endless ‘upgrade’ treadmill and increasing bloat and gratuitous change (you’d think eclipse was made in redmond!)

i swtiched to netbeans last year and found it refreshing

smaller footprint, works out of the box, easy to build and debug projects

i could care less about ruby — anyone who drinks that koolaide deserves whatever they get

also i dont care if netbeans is owned by oracle, and even if they break it, i’ll just keep using the version that now works

the only real value of an IDE is debugging, all else is fluff or gravy depending on your mood

and i dont trust anything that cant be built except in an ide or by maven, etc

dont get wrong, maven is fine, but if you can’t build from the command line, by hand, then you’re not in control of your project

and that’s a bad thing

]]> By: Jonny http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-38813 Jonny Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:29:04 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-38813 I'm purchasing IntelliJ and I think it's well worth the price. I don't know who it was who ever said open source produces better quality code, that's a naive assumption. No, I hope IntelliJ doesn't make plug-in development open-source. It's the 3rd-party plugins in Eclipse that makes Eclipse so ridiculously unstable and buggy. It's like cramming a multicultural group of folks into a small room and then after several days they're at each others' throats. Open source doesn't produce quality code, quality developers produce quality code. I’m purchasing IntelliJ and I think it’s well worth the price. I don’t know who it was who ever said open source produces better quality code, that’s a naive assumption.

No, I hope IntelliJ doesn’t make plug-in development open-source. It’s the 3rd-party plugins in Eclipse that makes Eclipse so ridiculously unstable and buggy. It’s like cramming a multicultural group of folks into a small room and then after several days they’re at each others’ throats.

Open source doesn’t produce quality code, quality developers produce quality code.

]]> By: Sagar http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-29743 Sagar Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:49:08 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-29743 "I thank God for giving me NetBeans. I don’t know if anyone elsewhere thinks in the same way. But the fact is that it took me just one day to dump Eclipse, and go back to NetBeans. Long live the developers of NetBeans!" -- ditto my words, I too don't understand why all MNC uses Eclipse when such great product, easy to use and learn NB available, that's also for free !!! And if I'm remembering well, I too faced the same problem, I think you have to add "J2EE Module Dependency" which reside in project Properties. :) “I thank God for giving me NetBeans. I don’t know if anyone elsewhere thinks in the same way. But the fact is that it took me just one day to dump Eclipse, and go back to NetBeans. Long live the developers of NetBeans!”

– ditto my words, I too don’t understand why all MNC uses Eclipse when such great product, easy to use and learn NB available, that’s also for free !!!

And if I’m remembering well, I too faced the same problem, I think you have to add “J2EE Module Dependency” which reside in project Properties. :)

]]> By: home made wind generators http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-27760 home made wind generators Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:53:09 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-27760 Neat blog- Will definitely visit again/ Neat blog- Will definitely visit again/

]]> By: el http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-9339 el Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:30:01 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-9339 i am now an eclipse user... i left mobile application development for web application development... i am developing application built from apache wicket framework... i am now seeing why eclipse is better than netbeans... performance... i'll admit it, eclipse is not a good choice when developing j2me application but for web app and other java app, it really is better than netbeans. btw, i am not using any wicket plugin, just plain java project with an ant build.xml file. i also updated my ide to ganymede. keep it up eclipse team... i hope eclipse continues running faster than netbeans... netbeans is really heavy i am now an eclipse user… i left mobile application development for web application development… i am developing application built from apache wicket framework… i am now seeing why eclipse is better than netbeans… performance… i’ll admit it, eclipse is not a good choice when developing j2me application but for web app and other java app, it really is better than netbeans. btw, i am not using any wicket plugin, just plain java project with an ant build.xml file. i also updated my ide to ganymede. keep it up eclipse team… i hope eclipse continues running faster than netbeans… netbeans is really heavy

]]> By: An http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-9297 An Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:24:37 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-9297 The problem starts with switching from one IDE to other, from one which we like most to other which is much popular. as "Change is law of nature." Now when we use new environment we are not able to work on it as "Human psychology is to resist changes." Now just above two quotations gives answer of the conflict. As far as i concern Both are good and easy to use IDE for java development, If you want to learn. The best way to learn about an IDE is to use it's User Manual or Help. If you r trying to get help from internet to solve your problem then u r already stepped into ruining ur day. I have first tried NB when I downloaded Java EE and it was working fine but was making some problems to me. I didn't do work on that more as no project related to java. Then I got a Web project and i didn't used an IDE because I needed to make my project in a very short time so I started on Windows with a notepad, simple tomcat and a DB server tried to connect them and done. Output with a 10 mb project (No IDE used). I got certified by IBM on that project. But then after a long time I tried to use some IDE for development and I switched to Eclipse (heard more about it then NB) so downloaded it just double clicked on the icon on windows and started reading its help. I was easily end up with a small and simple web application. So, now I don't want to (or i will not try to) switch the IDE until I am disatisfied with eclipse The problem starts with switching from one IDE to other, from one which we like most to other which is much popular.
as
“Change is law of nature.”

Now when we use new environment we are not able to work on it
as
“Human psychology is to resist changes.”

Now just above two quotations gives answer of the conflict.

As far as i concern Both are good and easy to use IDE for java development, If you want to learn.
The best way to learn about an IDE is to use it’s User Manual or Help.
If you r trying to get help from internet to solve your problem then u r already stepped into ruining ur day.

I have first tried NB when I downloaded Java EE and it was working fine but was making some problems to me. I didn’t do work on that more as no project related to java.
Then I got a Web project and i didn’t used an IDE because I needed to make my project in a very short time so I started on Windows with a notepad, simple tomcat and a DB server tried to connect them and done. Output with a 10 mb project (No IDE used). I got certified by IBM on that project.

But then after a long time I tried to use some IDE for development and I switched to Eclipse (heard more about it then NB) so downloaded it just double clicked on the icon on windows and started reading its help. I was easily end up with a small and simple web application. So, now I don’t want to (or i will not try to) switch the IDE until I am disatisfied with eclipse

]]> By: sj http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-5584 sj Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:54:06 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-5584 Eclipse is way better than NB. If you had read getting started tutorial for 5 minutes, you would not have the problem you were having. Even novice programmer can follow that guide. Eclipse is way better than NB.

If you had read getting started tutorial for 5 minutes, you would not have the problem you were having.

Even novice programmer can follow that guide.

]]> By: ttt http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-3540 ttt Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:52:46 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-3540 hey concerning the log error: i've had these problems with eclipse (the jar is on the class path but eclipse doesn't pick it up) you basically have to regenerate the project or sometimes closing eclipse & opening it will work. For me i use maven2 so i just use the mavenEclipse plugin to regenerate the project & reopen it in eclipse as for the arguement; i've used eclipse my whole career (3 years) but i've got NB installed which i use for all gui development & were ever eclipse fails. i mean thats the smartest; each ide has its on strengths; & each ide is just a tool; so learn both tools & use as needed, but i'm def impressed with wat ppl say about IDEA so i'm goin to try that hey
concerning the log error:
i’ve had these problems with eclipse (the jar is on the class path but eclipse doesn’t pick it up)
you basically have to regenerate the project or sometimes closing eclipse & opening it will work. For me i use maven2 so i just use the mavenEclipse plugin to regenerate the project & reopen it in eclipse

as for the arguement; i’ve used eclipse my whole career (3 years) but i’ve got NB installed which i use for all gui development & were ever eclipse fails.

i mean thats the smartest; each ide has its on strengths; & each ide is just a tool; so learn both tools & use as needed,

but i’m def impressed with wat ppl say about IDEA so i’m goin to try that

]]> By: Nick Boldt http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-3240 Nick Boldt Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:04:02 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-3240 Eclipse won't automatically load projects in the workspace folder, in order to give you control over what should be displayed or worked with. So, to import a project into the workspace, right-click the workspace (eg, in the Pakcage Explorer view) and select Import > General > Existing Projects Into Workspace, then browse for your workspace folder, select the project, and voom. You can also access Import from the File menu. By the way, if you're new to Eclipse, you can drop by #eclipse on freenode (http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC) or visit the newcomer newsgroup (http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/). There's lots of support available out there, if you look for it and ask for help, rather than FUDing on random blogs. Eclipse won’t automatically load projects in the workspace folder, in order to give you control over what should be displayed or worked with. So, to import a project into the workspace, right-click the workspace (eg, in the Pakcage Explorer view) and select Import > General > Existing Projects Into Workspace, then browse for your workspace folder, select the project, and voom. You can also access Import from the File menu. By the way, if you’re new to Eclipse, you can drop by #eclipse on freenode (http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC) or visit the newcomer newsgroup (http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/). There’s lots of support available out there, if you look for it and ask for help, rather than FUDing on random blogs.

]]> By: eL http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/comment-page-1/#comment-3239 eL Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:33:10 +0000 http://techtracer.com/2007/08/26/eclipse-europa-has-ruined-my-day/#comment-3239 I downloaded android sdk. I don't have any choice but to use eclipse :( Eclipse is not even intuitive and lack simplicity or maybe it lacks features! For instance, I downloaded a sample project from anddev.org and put the project folder to my workspace folder! How the hell am I going to open the project. The project did not showed up to the project explorer! I can not find any functionality from anywhere of Eclipse's stupid menu that will let me open existing project, such as project downloaded via www. Now I am completely pissed off! And once again Eclipse ruined my day. I downloaded android sdk. I don’t have any choice but to use eclipse :(
Eclipse is not even intuitive and lack simplicity or maybe it lacks features! For instance, I downloaded a sample project from anddev.org and put the project folder to my workspace folder! How the hell am I going to open the project. The project did not showed up to the project explorer! I can not find any functionality from anywhere of Eclipse’s stupid menu that will let me open existing project, such as project downloaded via www. Now I am completely pissed off! And once again Eclipse ruined my day.

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